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Tyre Help!

I need a fresh set of tyres for my Palio. And I need some help from the fellow drivers out there :)

1) Tubeless Radials? Good or Bad?
2) Also, with regards to this, would a non-standard tyre size cause issues (165/80 is the approved one...but you get only 175/70 for tubeless....)

PS : The Wheel and Tyre Bible is awesome!

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yathin
Sep. 30th, 2005 04:53 am (UTC)
Go for tubeless ... it's a saviour! And you can fix the puncture yourself as well.

2) is slightly tricky which I have no idea about. :)
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 05:25 am (UTC)
Cool, thanks :)

I'm working on 2)...
premkudva
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:09 am (UTC)
I am on tubless for a year now, and punctures only happen in a place where I can get in changed. Key word being "get in changed" heh! Two months back one of the tyres seemed flat, so had air pumped in, again flatish after a few days. Knew it was flat then ditto with another tyre couple of days later.

With tubes the goddamned tyres would go flat when you are in the middle of a journey.
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:31 am (UTC)
That's exactly why I want to go with tubeless. Punctures aren't an issue with them anymore.
fox2mike
Oct. 1st, 2005 11:51 am (UTC)
And you can fix the puncture yourself as well.

Details please? and is there a puncture kit available?
tsk1979
Sep. 30th, 2005 04:54 am (UTC)
Points to ponder
Make sure that the OD, outer diameter remains the same
your current size is 165/80. So your width is 165mm and your tyre sidewall height is 80% of 165= 132mm
I changed my indica tyres tube type to tubeless
Original 165/65. Now 185/60
My sidewall height increased by 5mm which is negligible
For palio i would suggest 195/65 or 185/70 in tubeless.
Go for non directional tyres because in case of directional the direction of rotation is towards one direction only and so you cannot fit LHS side tyre to RHS and vice a versa
I have directional Potenza GIII, 185/60, and they offer great grip

As for size issues. you can increase the width of the tyre but it is not recommended to change the sidewall height by more than 5mm

you can also check out http://www.team-bhp.com which is indias biggest and most active car community. Since it is actively moderated by 10+ moderators, spam and stuff like that which is common on yahoogroups is not there
the site is down for maintainance and should be up by today evening.

fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 05:30 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Following the Wheel and Tyre bible link above, a 185/70R13 would do the job. So yeah, I have conformation from two sources that 185/70 is okay :)

I've been explicitly told by the works manager at Sundaram Motors to stay away from Bridgestone tyres, which I guess the Potenza is...

Thanks for the directional tip, will watch out for that.

Would the increase in width to say 185/195 have any adverse effect on fuel efficiency etc? TIA
tsk1979
Sep. 30th, 2005 05:44 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Stay away from bridgestone!? thats weird. Bridgestone makes great tyres! Do not listen to those fiat workshop guys they speak what comes to their mind. Not just fiat even other dealers do that. One toyota dealer said that corolla is better than optra because optra has tubeless tyres which are not good. When asked what about innova, which has tubeless tyres, which means its not good. The guy fumbled and said that tubeless tyres are good for MuVs only! And he fumbled even more when he was informed that the new facelifted corolla will come with tubeless tyres!
Go for bridgestone. directional is also okay if you dont mind having your tyres restricted to one side only. But make sure the spare wheel is non directional. Directional potenza tyres give excellent grip in all conditions. And i can vouch for that. A bike guy survied with a few bruises just because i had potenza. If i had been on my 165/65 MRF, he would have landed in hospital. That dude crossed an express way without looking , leading to an almost pileup like scene on the road. Luckily the guy behind me was a skoda which has amazing brakes!
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 05:51 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Okay...How much did yours cost?

Also, these guys did help us with a tyre problem sometime back..and btw I remember that the Palio came with Bridgestone tyres (the very first Palio in B'lore is near my place and has Bridgestones on it).

Either they had issues with Bridgestone + Palio (which is why the company switched to Goodyear) or they had some bad things wrt something else (business relations etc) and hence don't recommend Bridgestone.

Either way, I don't think I'm going for Bridgestones, coz tomorrow, they'll blame *any* minor issue on the tyre/shocks/rims on the Bridgestone even if it isn't the tyre's fault. I'm not taking that chance...
tsk1979
Sep. 30th, 2005 05:59 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
In that case stick to goodyear. For my non directional spare wheel i have goodyear Ducaro, but i guess its been discontinued and replaced by a newer model. another good tyre according to Auto Mags is the Apollo Acelere, but i did not see much acceptance for it in the market, people dont trust apollo.

whichever tubeless tyre you buy make sure the speed rating is above 190kmph. Palio can do tops 140kmph and its good to jhave speed rating about 40% above the car capability.
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 06:01 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Okay, considering the fact that my parents are usually around with me on long trips, I'm prolly *never* going to hit speeds that high. But again, I'll keep that in mind as well.

Thanks for all the help! :)
tsk1979
Sep. 30th, 2005 06:19 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
You are welcome :)
And as for the cost, be prepared to pay about 300-350 more /tyre. so total cost over tube type is 1500rs. Your old tyres can be sold for 150rs/piece.
And go to an goodyear showroom(Any big showroom will do)
Small shops sell seconds also!
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 06:35 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Yeah, AFAIK, the Goodyear ones are 2400 bucks for 175/70...I guess they'll be more for the 185/70. I know a showroom (sort of) near my place who is a certified Goodyear dealer...so will prolly head there.
premkudva
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:13 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
As a Michael Schumacher fan you should go in for Bridgestones;-)

PS: I have Bridgestones on my Sienna (nee Petra in new avatar, nee Palio with dicky).
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:34 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
LOL. I've thought of that too...and then decided against it :p
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:36 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
BTW did you have to do any changes wrt to your rim to make the tyre fit? What is your rim/tyre size? Mine is 5B and 165/80R13 and the funny part is the Goodyear site doesn't have the GPS2 for 165/80R13 and 5B :D (which is the current config in my car)
premkudva
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:38 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
No changes were required, but then I believe that the Sienna rims and the Palio rims are not of the same size.
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:40 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
That is quite true...
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:36 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
And, which tubeless ones does you Sienna nee Petra nee Palio with dicky have? :D
premkudva
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:42 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Heh! For that I had to go across to the said tyre;-)

It is a 175/70R13.
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:44 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Okay...cool. How much did it set you back by?
premkudva
Sep. 30th, 2005 10:57 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Let me check, I would have gone for them in 2002, but each tyre was costing little more than Rs 1000/- more than tubed. This time I found they were I think abt Rs 300/- more than the tubed.

Ah go it... they were 2450/- each all inc. June '04.
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 11:01 am (UTC)
Re: Points to ponder
Thanks for the info Prem! Much appreciated :)
appaji
Sep. 30th, 2005 08:32 pm (UTC)
Talk to a knowledgeable mechanic (knowledge being the operative word) who knows the car in and out before you take a decision, because a lot of cars don't run well with tubeless tyres.
teemus
Sep. 30th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)
Does Michelin have tubeless stuff in the spec you mention?
fox2mike
Sep. 30th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
They don't have an India site...so I don't know. Besides they are the costliest of the lot.
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